Sat, Apr. 02 2011 05:16 PM
Atheist Hitchens Praises King James Bible
Atheist Christopher Hitchens paid tribute to the King James Bible, offering rare praises to a book containing the Word of God.Hitchens is the second atheist, after Richard Dawkins, to laud the KJB in honor of the 400th anniversary of the translation.
The prominent atheists recognized and expressed appreciation for its contribution to English literature.
"Though I am sometimes reluctant to admit it, there really is something 'timeless' in the Tyndale/King James synthesis," said Hitchens in his commentary featured in Vanity Fair. "For generations, it provided a common stock of references and allusions, rivaled only by Shakespeare in this respect.
"It resounded in the minds and memories of literate people, as well as of those who acquired it only by listening."
The 61-year-old English-American author is a staunch atheist who often debates Christians on the existence of God. He made the argument that "religion poisons everything" in his book God Is Not Great and has repeatedly stated that he would not convert, even on his deathbed. Hitchens is currently battling stage 4 esophageal cancer.
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Still, he relented when it came to honoring the King James Bible, which was first published in 1611.
But the bestselling author went further to criticize other translations of the Bible and ongoing attempts to update it.
Offering one comparison, Hitchens cited a passage in the New Testament book of Philippians, which he read at his father's funeral:
"Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things." (King James Version)
The same passage in the Contemporary English Version states: "Finally, my friends, keep your minds on whatever is true, pure, right, holy, friendly and proper. Don’t ever stop thinking about what is truly worthwhile and worthy of praise.”
Hitchens called the contemporary version "pancake-flat" and more suited for "a basement meeting of A.A."
"[T]hese words could not hope to penetrate the torpid, resistant fog in the mind of a 16-year-old boy, as their original had done for me," he said in his commentary.
He also rejected the gender neutral language of substituting "brethren" with "my friends," calling it a "slightly ingratiating obeisance."
"[T]to suggest that Saint Paul, of all people, was gender-neutral is to re-write the history as well as to rinse out the prose," Hitchens noted.
Debate over the use of gender neutral language was revived among Christians with the recent debut of the updated New International Version. The first update to the popular NIV in 25 years, the updated version, released last month, includes gender-unspecific singulars and plurals such as "that person" and "they" in place of masculine singulars like "him" or "he."
Amid numerous Bible translations and customized Scriptures, Hitchens lamented the gradual eclipse of the King James Bible.
"A culture that does not possess this common store of image and allegory will be a perilously thin one. To seek restlessly to update it or make it 'relevant' is to miss the point, like yearning for a hip-hop Shakespeare," he wrote. "'Man is born unto trouble as the sparks fly upward,' says the Book of Job. Want to try to improve that for Twitter?"
In the end, Hitchens' note of praise for the King James Bible was brief and ended with his unwavering belief that "religion is man-made, with inky human fingerprints all over its supposedly inspired and unalterable texts."
I think the Vedas and the Koran are written quite nicely, but that doesn't give any credence to the existence of God or how accurate the translations are.
Your asking stupid questions. I guess your mom didnt have to watch you as a child. I mean, she did create you. So why should she have to make sure you grow. The Most High did know what was going on. He was the one brought it to Moses attention, not the other way around. What's so hard to understand that he wants a certain people to carry his legacy. He forces nobody to serve him. Everybody has their own free will. I dont see nobody obeying the laws and commandments today, so you cant say hes forcing anybody to do shit. We begged him to free us, not the other way around. The ones that didn't obey got killed. If that's too hard to comprehend then tough cookies . And your boy is talking down on all other translations and giving the brother KJ his props. Even your own atheist love James.
Last edited by Cousin Skeeter; 04-03-2011 at 01:20 PM.
Humans are not omniscient. God is. Do you get it now?having complete or unlimited knowledge, awareness, or understanding; perceiving all things.
You can't, can you?
you cannot have FREE WILL and yet have god be all knowing..those two cannot exist side by side...god knows ALL he knows you even before you were born it says in the bible..THIS means he knows if you will go to heaven or hell..BEFORE you are born which means you DO NO get a choice in the matter..get it? when he made adam and eve he KNEW they would sin..they did not have a choice
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I'm agnostic but I believe in a Creator. I question everything that I do not understand with an even keel, having an unbiased approach to information. I believe in energy and life force. I believe whatever made the universe is far beyond any humans possible comprehension. I believe in infinity and limitlessness.
Your just made cuz every part of the book you tried to criticize, i shut that shit down. You thought they carried a fucking calf across the Red Sea. You talk down on simple basic shit cuz you have no knowledge of scriptures
All that shit you described about the creator is in the bible about the creator. You just said the creator's knowledge and far beyond yours but you question everything. Nothing is wrong with questioning everything but you cant get mad if you dont agree with the answer. HIS MIND AND HIS THOUGHTS AND REASONS ARE WAY PAST YOURS REMEMBER?
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Hitchens is praising the KJV for it's contribution to English literature which no one would deny. The text is certainly more beautiful than modern translations, but that doesn't make it more accurate. I know you don't believe in evolution, so it makes sense you wouldn't believe that people's understanding of Hebrew and Greek and what English words best translate their meaning would increase over 400 years.
Science has proven more about God than religion ever can. Science has determined energy in the universe cannot be created or destroyed, only transferred. If that doesn't tell you more about life and the after life than the Bible does ionno what else to say lol.
1 John 5:7 (King James Version)
7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. Its the Father, the Holy Spirt, and then theres Christ (that came from both spirits).
Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. Now he clearly says he's the one that made both male and female. BUT WHICH ONE DID HE CREATE IN HIS IMAGE ? The shit is easy if you just read cuzzo. OPEN THE BOOK AND ALL THIS SILLY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE CAN BE ANSWERED
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i believe in god but how do we know jesus is the son of man. ehat if the hindi,eyptain, or islamic son of god is correct.
that's why i feel that jesus may not be the only way to heaven.
because if god was going to wipe us out for sinning. he would of been done it because after the virgin birth of the son of man man became more sinful than ever.
i just truthfully believe in a person will punished and judge based on there actions and lifestyles.
sore of a karma afterlife similar to the Hindi mythology.
i don't believe most folks will suffer eternal damnation. maybe temperaray punishment according to lifestyles.
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i got very upset with my family member saying if i don't accept Jesus as my lord in personal savior or if i questioned any bout Jesus I'm going to hell.
i try to tell her there are like 11 different religions who claims to be the son of god through virgin birth?
then she responded that they are being use by the devil to deceive man. she knows Jesus is the son of man because the new testament has red writings of Jesus talking.
i stated that you know man wrote the bible. and same people who stole are history,items and land from us is the same one who stole religion from us.
king James took information out of the bible to put his twist on it! and anybody who disagreed death.......
Who are you so say what god would do , If this or that. Its already written when the day of the Lord is.. when the entire world has to pay for the treatment of God's people. The day of the Lord comes when the gospel is spreaded through the 4 corners of the world. Christianity spread-ed around the world and back. THAT SHOULD LET YOU KNOW TEHY ARE NOT PREACHING THE GOSPEL SCRIPTURE SPEAKS OF. This true gospel that im speaking of seems foreign to yall. This is the type of gospel that has to be spreaded to the 4 corners before the son of man returns
As far as not beleiving in the Messiah... well hes the one thats going to run the show... Hes the one thats going to return.. hes the one Revelation speaks of. How can you beleive in God, but not beleive in the world that will rule the world when he returns? Everything has a chain of command
You cant rearrange what the most high already set up. You cant say i beleive in the father, but dont beleive in his system of rank. To remove the messiah from his would be going against the most high. Thats something he ordained
To the ones that never herd of Jesus they still have a conscious. They know right and wrong. That is how they will be judged. Theres folks that never even saw a bible. But they know its wrong to steal, kill, cheat on wife, etc... He put that in all of us. So they are not excused even though they never herd of Jesus. Now if you herd of Jesus and dont beleive, then thats another story. Your ass is just toast
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