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    http://www.christianpost.com/news/at...s-bible-49686/

    Sat, Apr. 02 2011 05:16 PM

    Atheist Hitchens Praises King James Bible

    Atheist Christopher Hitchens paid tribute to the King James Bible, offering rare praises to a book containing the Word of God.Hitchens is the second atheist, after Richard Dawkins, to laud the KJB in honor of the 400th anniversary of the translation.

    The prominent atheists recognized and expressed appreciation for its contribution to English literature.

    "Though I am sometimes reluctant to admit it, there really is something 'timeless' in the Tyndale/King James synthesis," said Hitchens in his commentary featured in Vanity Fair. "For generations, it provided a common stock of references and allusions, rivaled only by Shakespeare in this respect.

    "It resounded in the minds and memories of literate people, as well as of those who acquired it only by listening."

    The 61-year-old English-American author is a staunch atheist who often debates Christians on the existence of God. He made the argument that "religion poisons everything" in his book God Is Not Great and has repeatedly stated that he would not convert, even on his deathbed. Hitchens is currently battling stage 4 esophageal cancer.

    "I want more Christian news!"

    Still, he relented when it came to honoring the King James Bible, which was first published in 1611.

    But the bestselling author went further to criticize other translations of the Bible and ongoing attempts to update it.

    Offering one comparison, Hitchens cited a passage in the New Testament book of Philippians, which he read at his father's funeral:

    "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things." (King James Version)

    The same passage in the Contemporary English Version states: "Finally, my friends, keep your minds on whatever is true, pure, right, holy, friendly and proper. Don’t ever stop thinking about what is truly worthwhile and worthy of praise.”

    Hitchens called the contemporary version "pancake-flat" and more suited for "a basement meeting of A.A."

    "[T]hese words could not hope to penetrate the torpid, resistant fog in the mind of a 16-year-old boy, as their original had done for me," he said in his commentary.

    He also rejected the gender neutral language of substituting "brethren" with "my friends," calling it a "slightly ingratiating obeisance."

    "[T]to suggest that Saint Paul, of all people, was gender-neutral is to re-write the history as well as to rinse out the prose," Hitchens noted.

    Debate over the use of gender neutral language was revived among Christians with the recent debut of the updated New International Version. The first update to the popular NIV in 25 years, the updated version, released last month, includes gender-unspecific singulars and plurals such as "that person" and "they" in place of masculine singulars like "him" or "he."

    Amid numerous Bible translations and customized Scriptures, Hitchens lamented the gradual eclipse of the King James Bible.

    "A culture that does not possess this common store of image and allegory will be a perilously thin one. To seek restlessly to update it or make it 'relevant' is to miss the point, like yearning for a hip-hop Shakespeare," he wrote. "'Man is born unto trouble as the sparks fly upward,' says the Book of Job. Want to try to improve that for Twitter?"

    In the end, Hitchens' note of praise for the King James Bible was brief and ended with his unwavering belief that "religion is man-made, with inky human fingerprints all over its supposedly inspired and unalterable texts."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman™ View Post
    Eh, the problem with Christians is that they aren't reading the Bible.
    Some Christians actually do read their word. I'm one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cousin Skeeter View Post
    He didn't do anything because he NEEDED to. He wanted to show the world and all the ones that worship these false Gods who the one and only GOD is. Plus he made a promise to Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. That their seed will become a great nation. Why do people have children when you know at one point they will disobey? These people throughout existent fell in and out of captivity for disobeying their father. But he always sent them back to their homelands and forgave them. The last time we will go back to the promise land is when the Messiah comes. Thats how you know the "JEWS" are fake jews that are in the land today & their descendants. My point is he most high was making sure his seed and his chosen heritage lives on and makes it to the promise land. He knew he would send his first begotten spirt in the earth thru their seed. It was already written... HE PROMISED ABRAHAM AND ISSAC A SPECIAL PROMISE
    Again you missed the point. All this is completely unnecessary because God is supposed to know every single thing there is to know about his creation, even our thoughts are not safe from judgement. How does a God who knows exactly what is going to happen, need to make sure it happens?

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    Nothing in that article said anything about the KJB being the most accurate translation. So I'm not sure why you posted it. Praising the book is one thing, but lauding it as the most accurate translation is another thing entirely and I think you have the two mixed up. The last line even says 'his unwavering belief that religion is man-made', and that should show you what he thinks of religion, no?

    I think the Vedas and the Koran are written quite nicely, but that doesn't give any credence to the existence of God or how accurate the translations are.

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    Some Christians actually do read their word. I'm one of them.
    That is not true for every Christian, especially those in a position of influence.

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    Your asking stupid questions. I guess your mom didnt have to watch you as a child. I mean, she did create you. So why should she have to make sure you grow. The Most High did know what was going on. He was the one brought it to Moses attention, not the other way around. What's so hard to understand that he wants a certain people to carry his legacy. He forces nobody to serve him. Everybody has their own free will. I dont see nobody obeying the laws and commandments today, so you cant say hes forcing anybody to do shit. We begged him to free us, not the other way around. The ones that didn't obey got killed. If that's too hard to comprehend then tough cookies . And your boy is talking down on all other translations and giving the brother KJ his props. Even your own atheist love James.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman™ View Post

    That is not true for every Christian, especially those in a position of influence.
    I guess you missed the word 'some' in that post.

    Every Christian is in a position of influence....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cousin Skeeter View Post
    Your asking stupid questions.
    No I'm not, you just don't understand what I'm saying.

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    I guess your mom didnt have to watch you as a child. I mean, she did create you. So why should she have to make sure you grow.
    Jeez. My mother is not omniscient. God is omniscient. What part of this distinction do you have trouble understanding? My mother does not know everything infinitely, God does. That is why it is perfectly understandable for a mother to watch her child. God already knows what is going to happen tomorrow, next week, even 10 years from now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cousin Skeeter View Post
    The Most High did know what was going on. He was the one brought it to Moses attention, not the other way around. What's so hard to understand that he wants a certain people to carry his legacy.
    The point is that it's all futile, since God is already omniscient:

    having complete or unlimited knowledge, awareness, or understanding; perceiving all things.
    Humans are not omniscient. God is. Do you get it now?

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    He forces nobody to serve him. Everybody has their own free will. I dont see nobody obeying the laws and commandments today, so you cant say hes forcing anybody to do shit.
    God doesn't force us to serve him, but if we don't we're sent to hell for eternity, right? Makes sense.

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    We begged him to free us, not the other way around. The ones that didn't obey got killed. If that's too hard to comprehend then tough cookies.
    Oh okay, so God creates everything, and knows every single thing that will happen in the world infinitely, but still decided to punish and kill even though he is the one who is responsible for it in the first place? Tough cookies, indeed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cousin Skeeter View Post
    And your boy is talking down on all other translations and giving the brother KJ his props. Even your own atheist love James.
    I'm not an atheist. Me criticizing religion doesn't make me an atheist. What logic is this? He praised the KJB, can you show me where he said it is the most accurate translation that exists? Or can you show me where he said it convinces him to convert to Christianity?

    You can't, can you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingpin View Post
    I guess you missed the word 'some' in that post.

    Every Christian is in a position of influence....
    My mistake, I did miss it. As for the second part, I disagree.

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    you cannot have FREE WILL and yet have god be all knowing..those two cannot exist side by side...god knows ALL he knows you even before you were born it says in the bible..THIS means he knows if you will go to heaven or hell..BEFORE you are born which means you DO NO get a choice in the matter..get it? when he made adam and eve he KNEW they would sin..they did not have a choice
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cousin Skeeter View Post
    thanks for the insite on one of the many false idols of Egypt




    Bottom line is after moses saw that shit he drew a line in the sand and said kill everyone of them muthafuckas that has any God other than the most high. And he destroyed Egypt... the stronghold of the world of that time. The most high took down that calf god and the other thousand gods when he freed the children of Isreal. That place been a bowl of dust ever since.
    You, my funny little friend, are no fun to debate with. You just admit defeat and bow out k:...

    LoL how do you know the Egyptian religion is the wrong one and Christianity is the right way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vice Gripp View Post
    LoL how do you know the Egyptian religion is the wrong one and Christianity is the right way?
    Because he was raised in America if he was raised in India, he'd be a Hindu. Israel, a Jew. Tibet, a Buddhist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vice Gripp View Post
    You, my funny little friend, are no fun to debate with. You just admit defeat and bow out k:...

    LoL how do you know the Egyptian religion is the wrong one and Christianity is the right way?
    They are all false, even christianity. We are forbidden to have graven images. All of those religions have one. You are born an Israelite. It's hard to comprehend cuz you have no knowledge of the bible. You think you won an arguement cuz you know the name of One deity. That's your god homie, I don't give a fuck about a statue for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by D90 View Post
    you cannot have FREE WILL and yet have god be all knowing..those two cannot exist side by side...god knows ALL he knows you even before you were born it says in the bible..THIS means he knows if you will go to heaven or hell..BEFORE you are born which means you DO NO get a choice in the matter..get it? when he made adam and eve he KNEW they would sin..they did not have a choice
    Your dumb. He gave you his word so we would know wrong from right. He knows everything, not makes decisions for everything. You have your free will to obey the word or not. Everything in life has consequences, a cause and effect. And life is the biggest example. You are stupid if you think you can do whatever you want in life and will not have to answer to someone. Nobody makes you eat. You made a choice to eat today. If you don't eat you get weak and eventually die. Well that's how serving the creator is

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cousin Skeeter View Post
    They are all false, even christianity. We are forbidden to have graven images. All of those religions have one. You are born an Israelite. It's hard to comprehend cuz you have no knowledge of the bible. You think you won an arguement cuz you know the name of One deity. That's your god homie, I don't give a fuck about a statue for?
    Nah that's not my God. You are set in this limited knowledge and you memorize shit but you don't think. I can't debate with people who don't think for themselves. Just cuz I know the name of a deity doesn't mean I put any personal stock in the religion I referenced. If you wanna know what I believe just ask..

    I'm agnostic but I believe in a Creator. I question everything that I do not understand with an even keel, having an unbiased approach to information. I believe in energy and life force. I believe whatever made the universe is far beyond any humans possible comprehension. I believe in infinity and limitlessness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vice Gripp View Post
    Nah that's not my God. You are set in this limited knowledge and you memorize shit but you don't think. I can't debate with people who don't think for themselves. Just cuz I know the name of a deity doesn't mean I put any personal stock in the religion I referenced. If you wanna know what I believe just ask..

    I'm agnostic but I believe in a Creator. I question everything that I do not understand with an even keel, having an unbiased approach to information. I believe in energy and life force. I believe whatever made the universe is far beyond any humans possible comprehension. I believe in infinity and limitlessness.
    It aint about what you beleive in.. this thread is about virgin births and which ones religion is correct. people were bashing the bible because of christianity. I proved the two do not go together. Christianity is a knock off of 12 race's/tribes historical records and lifestyle.

    Your just made cuz every part of the book you tried to criticize, i shut that shit down. You thought they carried a fucking calf across the Red Sea. You talk down on simple basic shit cuz you have no knowledge of scriptures

    All that shit you described about the creator is in the bible about the creator. You just said the creator's knowledge and far beyond yours but you question everything. Nothing is wrong with questioning everything but you cant get mad if you dont agree with the answer. HIS MIND AND HIS THOUGHTS AND REASONS ARE WAY PAST YOURS REMEMBER?
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    Hitchens is praising the KJV for it's contribution to English literature which no one would deny. The text is certainly more beautiful than modern translations, but that doesn't make it more accurate. I know you don't believe in evolution, so it makes sense you wouldn't believe that people's understanding of Hebrew and Greek and what English words best translate their meaning would increase over 400 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cousin Skeeter View Post
    It aint about what you beleive in.. this thread is about virgin births and which ones religion is correct. people were bashing the bible because of christianity. I proved the two do not go together. Christianity is a knock off of 12 race's/tribes historical records and lifestyle.

    Your just made cuz every part of the book you tried to criticize, i shut that shit down. You thought they carried a fucking calf across the Red Sea. You talk down on simple basic shit cuz you have no knowledge of scriptures

    All that shit you described about the creator is in the bible about the creator. You just said the creator's knowledge and far beyond yours but you question everything. Nothing is wrong with questioning everything but you cant get mad if you dont agree with the answer. HIS MIND AND HIS THOUGHTS AND REASONS ARE WAY PAST YOURS REMEMBER?
    How do you know it's a Him?? You make points but don't apply the knowledge to other situations. Remember when you said King James was black but because white people controlled the world they erased black history and made him out to be a white man? Well men have run the world forever so what if God was really a woman and evil evil white men said "Nah fukk that he's a white man like me" hmmm?? What if God is a black woman?? You wouldn't know because you were taught what you believe.

    Science has proven more about God than religion ever can. Science has determined energy in the universe cannot be created or destroyed, only transferred. If that doesn't tell you more about life and the after life than the Bible does ionno what else to say lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdrizzle View Post
    Hitchens is praising the KJV for it's contribution to English literature which no one would deny. The text is certainly more beautiful than modern translations, but that doesn't make it more accurate. I know you don't believe in evolution, so it makes sense you wouldn't believe that people's understanding of Hebrew and Greek and what English words best translate their meaning would increase over 400 years.
    LOL pwned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vice Gripp View Post
    How do you know it's a Him?? You make points but don't apply the knowledge to other situations. Remember when you said King James was black but because white people controlled the world they erased black history and made him out to be a white man? Well men have run the world forever so what if God was really a woman and evil evil white men said "Nah fukk that he's a white man like me" hmmm?? What if God is a black woman?? You wouldn't know because you were taught what you believe.

    Science has proven more about God than religion ever can. Science has determined energy in the universe cannot be created or destroyed, only transferred. If that doesn't tell you more about life and the after life than the Bible does ionno what else to say lol.
    It know hes a he cuz he made Man in his own image, not woman. All that shit you are saying is irrelevant. The holy spirit is a feminine spirt. Its a comforter. All of this is written in the bible. I DONT HAVE TO GUESS OR WONDER WHAT THE MOST HIGH IS. I open the fucking book and read and find out the answers. Something you should try to do.

    1 John 5:7 (King James Version)


    7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. Its the Father, the Holy Spirt, and then theres Christ (that came from both spirits).


    Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

    Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. Now he clearly says he's the one that made both male and female. BUT WHICH ONE DID HE CREATE IN HIS IMAGE ? The shit is easy if you just read cuzzo. OPEN THE BOOK AND ALL THIS SILLY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE CAN BE ANSWERED
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cousin Skeeter View Post
    It know hes a he cuz he made Man in his own image, not woman. All that shit you are saying is irrelevant. The holy spirit is a feminine spirt. Its a comforter. All of this is written in the bible. I DONT HAVE TO GUESS OR WONDER WHAT THE MOST HIGH IS. I open the fucking book and read and find out the answers. Something you should try to do.

    1 John 5:7 (King James Version)


    7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. Its the Father, the Holy Spirt, and then theres Christ (that came from both spirits).


    Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

    Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. Now he clearly says he's the one that made both male and female. BUT WHICH ONE DID HE CREATE IN HIS IMAGE ? The shit is easy if you just read cuzzo. OPEN THE BOOK AND ALL THIS SILLY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE CAN BE ANSWERED
    Bro the entire point of this thread is ......




    You know what........ nevermind .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cousin Skeeter View Post
    It aint about what you beleive in.. this thread is about virgin births and which ones religion is correct. people were bashing the bible because of christianity. I proved the two do not go together. Christianity is a knock off of 12 race's/tribes historical records and lifestyle.

    Your just made cuz every part of the book you tried to criticize, i shut that shit down. You thought they carried a fucking calf across the Red Sea. You talk down on simple basic shit cuz you have no knowledge of scriptures

    All that shit you described about the creator is in the bible about the creator. You just said the creator's knowledge and far beyond yours but you question everything. Nothing is wrong with questioning everything but you cant get mad if you dont agree with the answer. HIS MIND AND HIS THOUGHTS AND REASONS ARE WAY PAST YOURS REMEMBER?

    i believe in god but how do we know jesus is the son of man. ehat if the hindi,eyptain, or islamic son of god is correct.


    that's why i feel that jesus may not be the only way to heaven.

    because if god was going to wipe us out for sinning. he would of been done it because after the virgin birth of the son of man man became more sinful than ever.


    i just truthfully believe in a person will punished and judge based on there actions and lifestyles.

    sore of a karma afterlife similar to the Hindi mythology.

    i don't believe most folks will suffer eternal damnation. maybe temperaray punishment according to lifestyles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vice Gripp View Post
    Bro the entire point of this thread is ......




    You know what........ nevermind .

    THE PURPOSE OF THIS THREAD WAS INSPIRED BY,,,,,

    i got very upset with my family member saying if i don't accept Jesus as my lord in personal savior or if i questioned any bout Jesus I'm going to hell.


    i try to tell her there are like 11 different religions who claims to be the son of god through virgin birth?

    then she responded that they are being use by the devil to deceive man. she knows Jesus is the son of man because the new testament has red writings of Jesus talking.

    i stated that you know man wrote the bible. and same people who stole are history,items and land from us is the same one who stole religion from us.


    king James took information out of the bible to put his twist on it! and anybody who disagreed death.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vice Gripp View Post
    Bro the entire point of this thread is ......




    You know what........ nevermind .
    So i said the people who never heard of Jesus are they going to hell!

    and then i say what if one of the other religious who came before Christians ends up being right. are you going to hell.

    that why i believe in one god//creator son of man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 614/706/334 View Post
    i believe in god but how do we know jesus is the son of man. ehat if the hindi,eyptain, or islamic son of god is correct.


    that's why i feel that jesus may not be the only way to heaven.

    because if god was going to wipe us out for sinning. he would of been done it because after the virgin birth of the son of man man became more sinful than ever.


    i just truthfully believe in a person will punished and judge based on there actions and lifestyles.

    sore of a karma afterlife similar to the Hindi mythology.

    i don't believe most folks will suffer eternal damnation. maybe temperaray punishment according to lifestyles.
    put each one of those books side by side and which book has been spot on regarding to prophecy? ONLY ONE.. and thats the bible. No other book has prophecy in it. NONE.. and the bible is the only one that can back up its claims in scripture. There is no Prophecy in the Quran or any other book.


    Who are you so say what god would do , If this or that. Its already written when the day of the Lord is.. when the entire world has to pay for the treatment of God's people. The day of the Lord comes when the gospel is spreaded through the 4 corners of the world. Christianity spread-ed around the world and back. THAT SHOULD LET YOU KNOW TEHY ARE NOT PREACHING THE GOSPEL SCRIPTURE SPEAKS OF. This true gospel that im speaking of seems foreign to yall. This is the type of gospel that has to be spreaded to the 4 corners before the son of man returns

    As far as not beleiving in the Messiah... well hes the one thats going to run the show... Hes the one thats going to return.. hes the one Revelation speaks of. How can you beleive in God, but not beleive in the world that will rule the world when he returns? Everything has a chain of command

    Most High
    Holy Spirit
    Messiah
    Angels
    man
    woman

    You cant rearrange what the most high already set up. You cant say i beleive in the father, but dont beleive in his system of rank. To remove the messiah from his would be going against the most high. Thats something he ordained


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    So i said the people who never heard of Jesus are they going to hell!

    and then i say what if one of the other religious who came before Christians ends up being right. are you going to hell.

    that why i believe in one god//creator son of man!

    To the ones that never herd of Jesus they still have a conscious. They know right and wrong. That is how they will be judged. Theres folks that never even saw a bible. But they know its wrong to steal, kill, cheat on wife, etc... He put that in all of us. So they are not excused even though they never herd of Jesus. Now if you herd of Jesus and dont beleive, then thats another story. Your ass is just toast
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cousin Skeeter View Post
    put each one of those books side by side and which book has been spot on regarding to prophecy? ONLY ONE.. and thats the bible. No other book has prophecy in it. NONE.. and the bible is the only one that can back up its claims in scripture. There is no Prophecy in the Quran or any other book.
    I don't ever defend Islam but in this case, the Quran doesn't need to be a prophetic book. It claims to be the final piece of the puzzle after Judaism and Christianity, and that's pretty much it. Muslims do claim, however, that it contains prophecies, but all of them can be easily-refuted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman™ View Post
    I don't ever defend Islam but in this case, the Quran doesn't need to be a prophetic book. It claims to be the final piece of the puzzle after Judaism and Christianity, and that's pretty much it. Muslims do claim, however, that it contains prophecies, but all of them can be easily-refuted.
    why do i need a final peice of the puzzle when the bible tells you everything from creation to the end of "this" world. The Quran states "the children of Israel are god's chosen people" . Why read the Quran when i can just go to the main source. Why would i read a book that co sign's the origin book. Im not from the seed of Ishmael, im from the seed of Jacob. The Quran has no use for me

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